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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erica
I think there is a couple of factors that have contributed to external symptoms;

- alcohol depletes magnesium and interrupts methylation cycle (ie disrupts use of B6 by the body)
- found the info below, and in line with your candida, the imbalance in your gut could be contributing to the increased histamine/DAO etc

https://paleoleap.com/histamines/

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The biggest nonfood source of histamines in most people’s bodies, though, is their gut flora. Some kinds of bacteria produce histamines, while others degrade them. Too many histamine-producing bacteria can fill up your “sink” faster than DAO can empty it. If you think about it, this makes perfect sense: it’s the same reason why fermented foods are off the table, only the reaction is happening internally instead of externally.
The importance of gut flora in creating and destroying histamine can give rise to a sudden onset of histamine intolerance later in life, if you take antibiotics or make a drastic change to your diet. When the gut flora start growing back after this kind of trauma, the environment is ripe for bacterial overgrowth problems, and a predominance of histamine-producing bacteria might be just one of those issues. And in a cruel coincidence, the probiotic fermented foods that you eat to heal your gut are all high in histamine, so they only make the problem worse.
And the gut problems don’t stop there. DAO, the “emergency drain” in the histamine sink, is mainly produced by the mucous lining the intestinal wall. If the lining of the gut is irritated (by inflammatory foods like grains and legumes), DAO production decreases, and the symptoms of histamine overload only get worse.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tex, my DAO must really be shot right now....is there anything else besides foods that raise histamine? Like heat, stress, insufficient sleep etc....


Yes. For me at least, getting hot, or taking a hot shower, can make my itching worse. Interestingly, that effect seems to be amplified if I am taking Allegra. Stress makes it worse, I believe. In line with what Gabes posted about above, have you ever read the article at the link below? It discusses the gut bacteria connection and how certain types of gut bacteria are capable of producing histidine. As you may know, in the body, histamine is produced (naturally) from histidine. Too much histidine presumably means that we will produce too much histamine. The article that Gabes took the quote from may present a dumbed-down interpretation of what actually happens. Certain gut bacteria have been shown to be capable of producing histidine. I don't believe they have been shown to capable of producing histamine, the body has to make that conversion. At any rate, this will be discussed in my next book.

How a chronic magnesium deficiency can cause inflammation, and how antibiotics can amplify the problem

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Gabes & Tex,
I've read both scenarios and I have to say...WOW where do I begin to fix this....besides upping my Magnesium once again....and I'll probably have to use it topically now since I can't be sure internally it is absorbing properly.

I'm really interested in your research Tex....

I'll really watch my food and drink and increase my Mag and B6....it's crazy how my gut is dealing with things and I'm sure it's been slowly coming on over time since May.... otherwise my lip/nose wouldn't have erupted with a rash to begin with.

Sure hope I can figure this out soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok...I have pressure urticaria going on so for that I will take antihistamine, then I have Metronidazole to apply to the skin yeast for a while and then as needed.....aka Candida albicans.

So antihistamine 2-4 times a day...which one would be best Claritin, Zyrtec or Allegra??? And 50mg Benedryl right at bed time. For how long I was not advised....so I guess I punt with that based on how I feel.

Im kinda miserable, everything itches... Sad
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Whichever one works for you is the one to use. Some brands might not help as much as others. I got no relief from Claritin, so I used Allegra. Please be aware that Benedryl has some anticholinergic action so it increases the risk of Alzheimer's and age-related dementia after taking something like 180 doses during your lifetime. I've forgotten the exact details of the research so that total number may not be correct, but I believe it's somewhere in that neighborhood.

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I asked the Dr what she would choose over the three and she said Zyrtex....so I have Allegra 180 at home (I know it isn't the greatest to take long term either - might have to give Zyrtec a chance) I suppose it isn't overkill to take one in the morning and one after I get home from work/dinner time and then take the Benedryl at night for a few days (don't want to take this very long either) just to get these wheals to go the heck away....I have gotten them 4 times now and exactly at pressure points....they get huge like 4-5 inches in diameter across the top of the skin...super uncomfortable.

LOL..so no underwear, no bras Laughing GEESH!!! my jeans are killing me at work today because my last wheal erupted right at the bend in my hip/leg near the pelvic.....ARGH that hurts to sit today.

Thank you Tex....it just helps to talk thru these things sometimes....
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I hear you. That's where I seem to be most likely to get them (at the waist or near the bend line at the top of my legs). I suppose that's because those areas are under more stress due to bending, perspiration, chafing, etc. I wear an elastic belt to help hold my ileostomy bags in place, and right at the edge of that belt is a favorite place for them to spring up, especially during the summer.

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Gabes & Tex... thanx for explanation of PSP....simple when you know what you didn't know before!

Erica, I'm so sorry that this is such a problem just now for you! Just what you need in the midst of wedding plans! Urgh! You must be feeling so miserable .. hope the Allegra helps...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update....

Histamine can be the hidden symptom that you least expect to derail you.

I think I've gotten plenty of magnesium, VitD, B vitamins etc...but what I haven't given much thought to is the fact my body isn't and hasn't been eliminating histamine very well and since I haven't used an antihistamine since early Spring I need to make yet another note that Summer may be my worse time for it to build up.

Since going on the high dose antihistamine I have gotten to Norman in a matter of 4 days. Previously I have had WD for quite a few days this month, but I began to attribute it to wedding plan stress since my daughter is getting married outdoors at our home with reception here to.

I don't itch nearly what I had been and I'm sleeping really well again. I was hoping I could forgo the antihistamine but it appears my body isn't ready or capable of not having it at this time. I may still have a while to heal before I'm able to remove excess histamine. I'm also taking a 70 billion probiotic by Mercola since I am having an issue with Candida Albicans and the gut flora is out of balance.

Without being able to eat fermented type foods ( due to their high histamine!!) it is a catch 22 to balance this situation.

Just thankful I'm understanding what's going on and able to take steps in correcting it. Thanks again to all the helpful advice here!
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Mad Hello! This is my very first post (I think), and I need help! I am a Type1 Diabetic and for the past several days have been in a MAJOR flare of MC. Everything that is good for DM (diabetes) is terrible for MC, and vice versa. Yesterday my blood sugar dropped to 48 (WAY TOO LOW, RANGE IS 80-120), and things I would normally eat to bring it back up to a normal range sent me running to the bathroom.
What can I eat (that will stay in me) and is high in protein and carbs to quickly bring my glucose back up and at the same time not irritate my MC? I ate tons of applesauce, a banana, saltine crackers at mealtime, all of which are OK in moderation for DM, but what else can I eat that won't send me running for the bathroom? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated - thank you! On, of course I'm lactose intolerant, too..
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