Zodiac: Joined: 20 Apr 2010 Posts: 29 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 1:45 AM
Food Intolerances : Gluten, casein Location: California
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: Digesting Fat
Hi everyone,
I've been doing fairly well on Entocort and GF/DF/modified paleo (I'm down to about 1 fairly formed BM per day). However, the past two days I've had more gurlging and cramping, and two BMs, with the second being pretty loose. I've been eating only leaner meats (chicken breast, fish, ground turkey). Two nights ago, though, I had some baked chicken thighs (everything else I'd eaten before). Next morning had the problems. And last night I ate a couple bison patties, and this morning had the same two looser BMs.
I also had trouble a couple of weeks ago with the "sticky rice with mango" that I made for a work potluck. I didn't eat the mango, but had plenty of the yummy rice I cooked with lite coconut milk from Trader Joe's... but it didn't agree with me, turns out!
I'm guessing I'm having trouble digesting the fats in these types of meat... does anyone else have trouble digesting fat? How long until you were able to digest fattier meats without problems? Is this something that will go away eventually as my gut heals? Thank you!
Zodiac: Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 12168 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 4:45 AM
Food Intolerances : Gluten and avenin, (avenin is the prolamin in oats, which is equivalent to the gluten in wheat) Location: Central Texas
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject:
I'm puzzled by your reactions. I'm certainly not trying to imply that they didn't happen, (or aren't happening) - I'm just saying that I can't explain why it happened. Bison meat should be a very low fat meat. Whether or not the chicken thighs contained much fat, depends on whether or not you ate the skin. Trader Joe's lite coconut milk should be "safe". It' always possible, (depending on the brand), that the chicken may have been injected with a "tenderizing" solution, which contains phosphates, (and in some cases, gluten), but I would be surprised if the bison meat was "injected". Still, you might check the label, to be sure.
Maybe it was just a random reaction, (for no obvious reason), which sometimes happens, while we are recovering.
Most of us have trouble digesting fat, during a reaction. Increased inflammation causes absorption problems, and when the unabsorbed fat gets to the ileum and the colon, bacteria convert part of it into chemicals that cause secretory diarrhea, (IOW, this causes water to be secreted into the interior of the small intestine and the colon), thus increasing the volume of BMs, (which is characteristic of the type of diarrhea typical of MC). In general, fat malabsorption is a primary feature of MC's clinical symptoms. Therefore, when the D stops, you can probably safely assume that the fat malabsorption problem has run it's course, (unless another flare erupts).
Tex _________________
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Zodiac: Joined: 20 Apr 2010 Posts: 29 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 1:45 AM
Food Intolerances : Gluten, casein Location: California
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:18 pm Post subject:
Tex, your reply got me thinking a bit more. I took a look at my food journal to see if there could be any other explanations, and there are plenty I hadn't even thought of before. Luckily I wrote them down!
I had been reducing my Imodium to 1 whole pill one day, and 1/2 pill the next, for a couple of weeks. About a week ago I went to 1/2 a pill every day and seemed to be fine on that; although maybe it's a delayed reaction.
I also added in some GF/DF frozen pancakes (and real maple syrup) from Trader Joe's, as well as TJ's Swiss dark chocolate (no soy lecithin) -- those were added in about two weeks ago.
Additionally, I added 5 mg of Biotin about 4 weeks ago (for vanity's sake -- thin hair), a 1000 mg Omega-3 fish oil 1 week ago, and 2200 IU of Vitamin D yesterday.
Ugh, now that I wrote all that, I guess it could have been any multitude of things! Maybe I'm adding in too much too soon. _________________ Gowest
LC 3/10
Entocort 9mg/day
1/2 Imodium/day
GF/DF modified primal
Gowest, I seem to have problems with an overload of fat. For example, I can routinely eat 7% ground grilled beef patties, but when I try to eat a grilled steak that obviously has a lot more fat with the marbling, it doesn't work. Also, I've had trouble re-introducing fish oil and flax oil supplements, even if I'm very careful that they don't have soy. I have suspected that it's the concentrated dose of oil, but don't know for sure. With the fish oil, I have trouble in general with fish, so that may be something else. Why the flax seed oil doesn't agree with me too makes me wonder about the fat. In general I eat pretty lean meats.
Rosie _________________ Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time………Thomas Edison
Zodiac: Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 12168 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 4:45 AM
Food Intolerances : Gluten and avenin, (avenin is the prolamin in oats, which is equivalent to the gluten in wheat) Location: Central Texas
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject:
I see several possibilities. First, I agree with Rosie, that some individuals seem to have problems with fish oil. And, as she says, it could be a cumulative issue.
I don't know about Trader Joe's Frozen Pancakes, but Trader Joe's GF/DF Pancake Mix contains tapioca flour, and a few of us here cannot tolerate tapioca flour, (it causes D for us). Another possibility is the chocolate itself - some of us can't tolerate chocolate of any type. Of course, remember that chocolate contains a lot of fat, also.
The Biotin shouldn't be a problem, since it helps to metabolize fats, and amino acids, so theoretically, at least, it should be beneficial if you're having problems with fats.
Tex _________________
Remember: Status and honoraria go to those who support the current guidelines.
Zodiac: Joined: 20 Apr 2010 Posts: 29 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 1:45 AM
Food Intolerances : Gluten, casein Location: California
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject:
Thanks Tex and Rosie for the advice. I'll try cutting out the fish oil and chocolate for now and see if it gets better. If not, I'll cut out the TJ's GF/DF pancakes, as well.
Many many thanks for your help! _________________ Gowest
LC 3/10
Entocort 9mg/day
1/2 Imodium/day
GF/DF modified primal
Zodiac: Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 1081 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 7:45 PM
Food Intolerances : Confirmed - Gluten, Yeast, Caesin, Soy, salad/raw veges and fruit Avoiding brocoli, beans, peas Location: Brisbane - Australia
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:59 am Post subject:
in the words of wise Ant
It should be "Softly, Softly, Catchee Monkey". It means do not rush things, but instead use guile and patience to win the day, i.e to catch a monkey when hunting.
any changes should be done one at a time _________________ Gabes Ryan
i like nonsense, it wakes up the braincells...dr seuss
Zodiac: Joined: 20 Apr 2010 Posts: 29 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 1:45 AM
Food Intolerances : Gluten, casein Location: California
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:07 am Post subject:
Haha, thanks Gabes. I'm learning my lesson on this one for sure. No more multiple-introductions for me. ;o) _________________ Gowest
LC 3/10
Entocort 9mg/day
1/2 Imodium/day
GF/DF modified primal
Gowest i have noticed the issue with animal fats as well. I had some lamb a couple weeks ago that I had not trimmed as welll as I usally do and it did cause some GI issues until I figured out what was causing it
Best Wishes
--Joe _________________ "Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart ... Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens." - Carl Jung
Zodiac: Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 1081 User's local time: 2010 Sep 08 - 7:45 PM
Food Intolerances : Confirmed - Gluten, Yeast, Caesin, Soy, salad/raw veges and fruit Avoiding brocoli, beans, peas Location: Brisbane - Australia
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject:
Further to the multiple removal is being concious of food combining.
keeping a food diary of when i get certain symptoms I have managed to figure out if i have too much potato in a meal with lamb, i get GERD. Yet if i have potato with a boiled egg i am fine....go figure...
I have also found a connection between eating at the same time as i have coffee. if I have coffee away from foods i am ok, If i have a coffee with food then i have minor gerd.
I loved your comment in the other post about "los colitis" very funny........ _________________ Gabes Ryan
i like nonsense, it wakes up the braincells...dr seuss
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