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GiltGal

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Help with Joint Pain Reply with quote

Hi All,

I've had CC for as long as I can remember (my nickname as a toddler was the Kaopectate Kid) and I'm now 48. Was only diagnosed a couple years ago when it finally dawned on me that what I was experiencing was not normal and sought medical help!

I had been diagnosed as "allergic" to milk at age 11 (due to chronic ear infections) and so had already adjusted to a dairy free diet.

My WD has been controlled to maybe one per day with diet and Vit D3, but what is really impacting my life is all the joint pain.

I used to run daily but had to give that up about 4 years ago due to hip pain. Before my CC diagnosis, my previous PCP had me tested for RA and Lymes as I was tired of my shoulders, elbows, wrists and hands always being sore.

I have a hard time getting any kind of exercise due to my joint pain, and at 48, I'm too young to not be able to go for walks at least.

My current PCP who immediately sent me to get a colonoscopy when I finally asked about my odd bowel habits, has had a blood panel done up to get a base line of inflammation so we can proceed. I have my follow up appointment with him on Monday to go over those results.

What I'm asking here, is what have people done to help with joint pain?

BTW - I'm strictly lactose (edited to say dairy) and soy free, and primarily gluten free (don't see any effects of gluten except for lethargy) and have tried to eliminate all processed sugars.
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Food Intolerances : gluten, dairy, soy, corn, sugar, quinoa, rasberries, blackberries
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Giltgal,

Welcome to the forum. I would eliminate all dairy. Most of us have issues with the casein in dairy. Lactose free dairy still has casein. Switch to one of the alternative milks like almond milk.

Also consider eliminate any food with an ingredient list....i.e. eat unprocessed.

Also consider getting the enterolab testing done to determine what is causing inflammation.

I had pretty extreme joint pain when I was in a flare--I could not walk around the grocery store. (Prior to disease I walked 15 mi per week.)

Now I am pain free and doing better than all of my friends.

brandy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Brandy,

I should have said I am completely dairy free, as I do know that it is the casein that is the issue for me.

Is the enterolab testing different than the blood panel my PCP would have done where he was specifically looking for base line inflammation markers? I get those results next week.

I don't really eat processed food anyway. My daily routine is something like -
Steel cut oats
Unsweetened cashew milk
Cinnamon
Wild blueberries
Banana
Pure Almond butter
Unsweetened Dutch cocoa powder
One date
Roasted veggies

Lots of water, as I'm quite thirsty. No coffee, occasionally peppermint tea, wine about once a month. My only downfall are sweets. I occasionally imbibe in cookies - a couple times a month.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

welcome!

based on what we have seen here, the joint pain is very likely from the small amount of ongoing gluten and the body needing magnesium

the oats can still be a trigger (with some gluten and other proteins that cause inflammation)
how much protein are you having each meal - animal protein is pretty key to wellness in MC world.

hope this helps
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for responding Gabe.

I don't eat much meat at all. Maybe once or twice a month. In fact the list I posted is pretty much all I eat every day.

I've tried making my own Magnesium lotion (big fail), and haven't found an easy supplier for oral Magnesium here in Canada yet. Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amazon has ancient minerals.

or epsom salt foot soaks / baths
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

food wise, animal protein is pretty key to gut health/healing. Amino acids, gelatine, colleagen etc zinc, B vitamins etc
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Food Intolerances : Gluten, casein, soy, and avenin, (avenin is the prolamin in oats, which is equivalent to the gluten in wheat), beef, grapes, peanuts, cashews, almonds, (but nut butters seem OK except for peanuts), citric acid, chocolate, and agar.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Welcome to the forum. Is "primarily gluten free" 100 % gluten free, including trace amounts? I had to use a cane just to get around 17 years ago. After cutting out gluten 100 %, I no longer have any arthritis symptoms, and I'm now 76. Also, taking glucosamine and flax seed oil will help joints.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Gabe,

I do do frequent bath soaks with Ancient Minerals flakes, but am looking for a way to quantify and guarantee the amount of Magnesium I am getting with something oral. I don't think what I'm doing is adequate.

I have ordered ReMag, but it will be awhile before it arrives in Canada.

As for the animal protein, that is more difficult (isn't everything though?) I don't naturally enjoy meat all that much, unless I'm at a good restaurant and then I can't resist ordering lamb. What do folks do about ease of convenience when you need to consume meat?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tex,

"Primarily gluten-free" is definitely not 100% gluten-free. I do on occasion enjoy avocado toast or vegan pizza (or the above mentioned cookie downfall). So I consume gluten at most a handful of times a month.

Wouldn't I have WD after consuming gluten like I do with dairy if gluten was an issue for me? The most I notice after consuming gluten is lethargy and some brain fog.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there and welcome to the forum!

Like you, I don’t have WD after I consume gluten like I do with dairy (casein). But I also don’t get normal stools when I don’t cut out the gluten entirely in my diet. By saying gluten causes lethargy and brain fog you are confirming that you have a reaction to them and therefore continuing consuming them will hinder you in your path to recovery. I would advise you to go 100% gluten free for a couple of months and see how you feel. Good luck!

Henry
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Common gluten symptoms: joint pain, brain fog, lethargy,

For ease of eating protein: Cook protein in big lots. Freeze in individual portions. Pull out daily and reheat.

Consider eliminate the oatmeal for 8 weeks to eliminate the joint pain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oat_sensitivity

Even GF oats are controversial for celiacs to eat as the body "interprets" the oats to be gluten.
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Food Intolerances : Gluten, casein, soy, and avenin, (avenin is the prolamin in oats, which is equivalent to the gluten in wheat), beef, grapes, peanuts, cashews, almonds, (but nut butters seem OK except for peanuts), citric acid, chocolate, and agar.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GiltGal wrote:
What do folks do about ease of convenience when you need to consume meat?


In the early days of this forum we had a member who had the motto: "Never leave home without a porkchop in your purse."

And she meant it. Laughing

GiltGal wrote:
Wouldn't I have WD after consuming gluten like I do with dairy if gluten was an issue for me? The most I notice after consuming gluten is lethargy and some brain fog.


Henry is right on target with his post. I agree that those symptoms are indisputable reactions to gluten. You may or may not have digestive symptoms along with them. Some MC patients only have the neurological symptoms. But the point is, exposure to gluten that often means that your diet is not going to ever be able to stop the the inflammation, and you will never be able to achieve stable remission. Gluten-free means 100 %, because that's the only way the diet will work for virtually all of us.

If you really want to kick those symptoms to the curb once and for all, and get your life back, you have to be dedicated about this, and respect your long-term health enough to be strict with your diet. This may not seem so important to you now, but as you get older, if you still have the chronic inflammation, you are going to be vulnerable to the development of various autoimmune diseases that you could easily avoid by cleaning up your diet now, and keeping it clean. Trust me, it's so worth it.

And Brandy is right on target about the oats. The vast majority of us react to oats. The avenin in oats is just a weaker allergen than wheat gluten, so it sometimes takes longer to react.

Tex
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your responses.

I had never considered that gluten was the cause of my joint pain. I'm interested to see what my blood test results show on Monday as a baseline for inflammation. I'll take all this info with me to my incredible PCP who was the one who immediately got to the bottom of my symptoms and had me diagnosed with CC.

What will I do without my oatmeal?! 😢
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can tolerate corn, try grits when you can to replace your oatmeal. It is more common in the southern US.
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